• Re: Netrunner alternatives?

    From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to esc on Wed Aug 9 11:29:01 2023
    On 09 Aug 2023, esc said the following...

    Hey friends, for some reason, Netrunner is segfaulting for me on my new arch x86_64 build. I've ldd'd it, made sure all the relevant libraries
    are where they belong. For some reason, the thing loads, and once I try
    to dial out to a board, it immediately segfaults. No idea why.

    Why on earth are you using Netrunner? Use SyncTERM, it's a much better experience, has many more font supports, sound supports.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1337:3/178 to MeaTLoTioN on Wed Aug 9 07:08:00 2023
    MeaTLoTioN wrote to esc <=-

    Why on earth are you using Netrunner? Use SyncTERM, it's a much better experience, has many more font supports, sound supports.

    The font smoothing. Running smoothed fonts in Netrunner on a 16:9
    monitor is pretty nice. I could never get Zmodem between my BBS and
    Netrunner working, so I use SyncTerm for most things nowadays.



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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 9 16:25:33 2023
    On 09 Aug 2023, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    The font smoothing. Running smoothed fonts in Netrunner on a 16:9
    monitor is pretty nice. I could never get Zmodem between my BBS and Netrunner working, so I use SyncTerm for most things nowadays.

    SyncTERM has font smoothing too, it's called "Blocky scaling" and if you set it to off it will make the fonts smooth =)

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  • From paulie420@1337:3/129 to esc on Wed Aug 9 19:18:32 2023
    Hey friends, for some reason, Netrunner is segfaulting for me on my new arch x86_64 build. I've ldd'd it, made sure all the relevant libraries
    are where they belong. For some reason, the thing loads, and once I try
    to dial out to a board, it immediately segfaults. No idea why.

    That is weird; I use Arch and netrunner. Syncterm will also work, just decide which mode is best;

    syncterm -iS
    syncterm -iX

    MagiTerm, IceTerm, Qodem?

    It's weird yer having faults on NR; it's the one that always runs! cryptlib is currently broken in the AUR - you have to mess w/ pkgbuild a bit.



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  • From esc@1337:3/169 to MeaTLoTioN on Wed Aug 9 21:42:06 2023
    Why on earth are you using Netrunner? Use SyncTERM, it's a much better experience, has many more font supports, sound supports.

    I don't need different fonts or sounds. Netrunner has always had my preferred look and feel.

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to esc on Thu Aug 10 07:50:27 2023
    On 09 Aug 2023, esc said the following...

    I don't need different fonts or sounds. Netrunner has always had my preferred look and feel.

    It's not so much about what you prefer, more what the bbs you connect to offers. If you connect to mine for example, using SyncTERM it will have quite a few extra fonts in places that make the look and feel a bit more polished than if you just use it with a single font.

    You should give it a go sometime with SyncTERM. Once you get to see what it can do, you prolly won't go back to netrunner imho.

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  • From candycane@1337:3/150 to paulie420 on Thu Aug 10 09:36:23 2023
    Re: Re: Netrunner alternatives?
    By: paulie420 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 09 2023 07:25 pm

    NR sucks for transfers, period... I use Sync for mostly everything, but for idling @ 2oFB I usually have a nice, pretty, NR window at fullscreen.

    What's 2oFB?

    candycane

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  • From esc@1337:3/169 to MeaTLoTioN on Thu Aug 10 09:32:21 2023
    It's not so much about what you prefer, more what the bbs you connect to offers. If you connect to mine for example, using SyncTERM it will have quite a few extra fonts in places that make the look and feel a bit more polished than if you just use it with a single font.

    This is precisely why I prefer Netrunner - I don't like all the different fonts. I prefer to have the classic experience. :)

    You should give it a go sometime with SyncTERM. Once you get to see what it can do, you prolly won't go back to netrunner imho.

    Fortunately I did get Netrunner working so this is mostly OBE, but yeah, I should give SyncTERM another look as it's more frequently updated and SSH seems to work out of the box.

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  • From Roon@1337:1/112 to candycane on Thu Aug 10 21:16:31 2023
    Hello candycane,

    10 Aug 23 09:36, you wrote to paulie420:

    What's 2oFB?

    20forBeers bbs ;)

    Regards,
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  • From candycane@1337:3/150 to paulie420 on Fri Aug 11 09:19:45 2023
    Re: Re: Netrunner alternatives?
    By: paulie420 to candycane on Thu Aug 10 2023 08:47 pm

    2o fOr beeRS is my bbS;

    20ForBeers.com:1337 telnet
    :1338 ssh
    :1229 www
    :10700 hotline/kdX
    :70 gopher

    Neat, I'll look at it maybe.

    candycane

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to paulie420 on Sun Aug 13 17:18:22 2023
    I transfer a LOT over zmodem; some people prefer HTTP/S, I don't. :P

    I just got kermit working on tqw, sadly syncterm nor netrunner handle kermit, but install qodem, and give that a try, it's actually quite nice, simple but nice... and kermit transfers seem faster and more stable.

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  • From paulie420@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Sun Aug 13 14:44:43 2023
    I transfer a LOT over zmodem; some people prefer HTTP/S, I don't. :P

    I just got kermit working on tqw, sadly syncterm nor netrunner handle kermit, but install qodem, and give that a try, it's actually quite
    nice, simple but nice... and kermit transfers seem faster and more
    stable.

    I will do that - I'll have to find qodem, but I bet it has a git or similar.



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  • From hollowone@1337:3/129 to esc on Wed Sep 27 12:42:03 2023
    Anywho, I've tried running the Windows version in wine which works fine, but it makes my fans spin up like crazy. So I am hoping to find
    something lighter weight that has a similar feel. I can work with
    SyncTERM but am curious if folks have other alternatives that they use.

    I use SyncTerm in most cases but often I turn up my 86box or whatever VM may work for you with MS-DOS and I set packet driver and mTCP with patched version of telnet builds (telnetnu.exe) and it works superb with all ANSI boards, it can also render SIXELS and works with YMODEM/G quite well.

    It's better than SyncTerm if you want to turn off the SDL texture filtering to see the text sharp vs blurred. For me it's more old fashioned and that's one of the reasons why I like to telnet from internet connected MS-DOS.

    -h1

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to hollowone on Wed Sep 27 22:03:04 2023
    On 27 Sep 2023, hollowone said the following...

    It's better than SyncTerm if you want to turn off the SDL texture filtering to see the text sharp vs blurred. For me it's more old
    fashioned and that's one of the reasons why I like to telnet from
    internet connected MS-DOS.

    I don't like the antialiased text in netrunner or syncterm, I turn that off but do prefer syncterm over much else... except lately I have been using qodem a lot, mainly because I managed to get Mystic to work with Kermit and qodem handles that superbly, where as syncterm and netrunner doesn't have the capability, yet.

    Kermit is way faster to transfer files for me than x/y/zmodem by an order of magnitude, plus in qodem it will render the bbs at _any_ resolution I have the terminal set to, so MRCing in qodem at 160x60 is entirely doable and looks fantastic in mrcX client.

    If you want to try syncTERM and wanna build it from source, I have a script that will do it for you (linux of course)...
    https://erb.pw/how-to-install-syncterm-for-linux-from-source/

    Hope this helps =)

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  • From hollowone@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Thu Sep 28 06:17:24 2023
    I don't like the antialiased text in netrunner or syncterm, I turn that off but do prefer syncterm over much else... except lately I have been using qodem a lot, mainly because I managed to get Mystic to work with Kermit and qodem handles that superbly, where as syncterm and netrunner doesn't have the capability, yet.


    How did you turn the anti aliasing off in SyncTerm?

    I achieved that in that MSDOS terminal via 86box by turning texture
    filtering from linear to nearest as one of the graphics option over there.

    I assume SDL rendering in SyncTerm by default uses linear filtering, thus
    the anti aliasing you see.. but I found no option to actually turn it off in the app.

    -h1

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to hollowone on Thu Sep 28 17:16:41 2023
    On 28 Sep 2023, hollowone said the following...
    How did you turn the anti aliasing off in SyncTerm?

    I achieved that in that MSDOS terminal via 86box by turning texture filtering from linear to nearest as one of the graphics option over
    there.

    I assume SDL rendering in SyncTerm by default uses linear filtering, thus the anti aliasing you see.. but I found no option to actually turn it
    off in the app.

    In syncterm, at the address book screen, press the right arrow to get into the settings pane, then go down to "Program Settings" and toggle off the option for "Blocky Scaling"

    That's it, no more antialiasing.

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  • From hollowone@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Thu Sep 28 12:41:48 2023
    In syncterm, at the address book screen, press the right arrow to get
    into the settings pane, then go down to "Program Settings" and toggle
    off the option for "Blocky Scaling"

    all right. I don't have it on my MacOS version of the software, but I also learned that I can set it to use ncurses only and syncterm launches in regular terminal instead of separate SDL window. that comes with completely different font clarity as well. I doesn't work with custom fonts as regular
    rendering window. No Topaz etc... but still interesting discovery.

    -h1

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to hollowone on Fri Sep 29 01:24:38 2023
    On 28 Sep 2023, hollowone said the following...

    all right. I don't have it on my MacOS version of the software, but I
    also learned that I can set it to use ncurses only and syncterm launches in regular terminal instead of separate SDL window. that comes with completely different font clarity as well. I doesn't work with custom fonts as regular rendering window. No Topaz etc... but still interesting discovery.

    Nice discovery, yeah I used the ncurses version a few times too.
    What version of SyncTERM are you running? I think the Blocky Scaling was introduced in v1.2 so if you're still on v1.1 then you might wanna upgrade just in case that's an option on the MacOS version I mean.

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  • From hollowone@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Fri Sep 29 00:40:10 2023
    Nice discovery, yeah I used the ncurses version a few times too.
    What version of SyncTERM are you running? I think the Blocky Scaling was introduced in v1.2 so if you're still on v1.1 then you might wanna
    upgrade just in case that's an option on the MacOS version I mean.

    Yeah. I'm on v1.1 and I had thought this is still the latest.
    I checked syncterm's website and sourceforge and I still see 1.1 as the latest.

    Any link to stable 1.2 for MacOS?

    I went through all the links here:
    https://syncterm.bbsdev.net

    to find this (v1.2b):
    https://syncterm.bbsdev.net/SyncTERM-macOS.zip

    but it's not stable to me. It just renders the terminal in 1/4 of the screen (top left) and just can't scale to cover the whole app window. looks like a beta bug to me.

    -h1

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  • From Roon@1337:1/112 to hollowone on Tue Oct 3 20:42:15 2023
    Hello hollowone,

    29 Sep 23 00:40, you wrote to MeaTLoTioN:

    Nice discovery, yeah I used the ncurses version a few times too.
    What version of SyncTERM are you running? I think the Blocky
    Scaling was introduced in v1.2 so if you're still on v1.1 then
    you might wanna upgrade just in case that's an option on the
    MacOS version I mean.

    Yeah. I'm on v1.1 and I had thought this is still the latest.
    I checked syncterm's website and sourceforge and I still see 1.1 as
    the latest.

    Any link to stable 1.2 for MacOS?

    I went through all the links here:
    https://syncterm.bbsdev.net

    to find this (v1.2b):
    https://syncterm.bbsdev.net/SyncTERM-macOS.zip

    but it's not stable to me. It just renders the terminal in 1/4 of the screen (top left) and just can't scale to cover the whole app window.
    looks like a beta bug to me.

    same here, this is why i use 1.1 on my mac

    Regards,
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