Hi - anyone here a fan of tmux, like I am (or screen for that matter?)

I use my IBM PC to telnet to a raspberrypi to connect to BBSes using Michael Brutman's (brutman.com) MTelnet. It works great.

I'd like to be able to task-switch though. So one moment, work on the bbs,
the next, read my email with mutt. Unfortunately, when using tmux, ANSI is
all fubar. Is there a patch that can be applied that fixes this, or even some sort of flag at runtime? I've tried the usual TERM=pcansi etc but no dice.

Cheers,
Al


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Re: Long shot... tmux with ANSI/CP437
By: hyjinx to All on Sun Aug 29 2021 12:45 pm

Howdy,

Hi - anyone here a fan of tmux, like I am (or screen for that matter?)

Me :) I'm a long time screen user, but recently changed to using tmux. Like vi, I'm probably only using 10% of it, but I use it because I switch between my laptop and imac and I can continue on where I left off :)

I'd like to be able to task-switch though. So one moment, work on the bbs, the next, read my email with mutt. Unfortunately, when using tmux, ANSI is all fubar. Is there a patch that can be applied that fixes this, or even some sort of flag at runtime? I've tried the usual TERM=pcansi
etc but no dice.

So ANSI works OK over tmux - it would depend on your terminal program that you are using, and whether it can understand the ANSI.

I'm on a MAC, and pretty much use iTerm2 exclusively (to connect to the BBS as well) - and ANSI is fine. I also get the benefit of an ultra wide, super long screen :)



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So ANSI works OK over tmux - it would depend on your terminal program
that you are using, and whether it can understand the ANSI.

I'm on a MAC, and pretty much use iTerm2 exclusively (to connect to the BBS as well) - and ANSI is fine. I also get the benefit of an ultra
wide, super long screen :)

Have a look at how it behaves on my IBM PC (screenshot) https://www.reddit.com/r/tmux/comments/pdl100/using_ansi_on_a_real_cp437_machin e_doesnt_work/

When I use iTerm2 on the mac, it still doesn't work, although it is a little more favourable than spewing ANSI escape codes everywhere, so perhaps you
have some terminal settings that are different to mine....

Cheers,
Al


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Re: Re: Long shot... tmux with ANSI/CP437
By: hyjinx to deon on Sun Aug 29 2021 05:25 pm

Howdy,

Have a look at how it behaves on my IBM PC (screenshot) https://www.reddit.com/r/tmux/comments/pdl100/using_ansi_on_a_real_cp437_machin
e_doesnt_work/

Yup, that might be your TERM isnt set right?

When I use iTerm2 on the mac, it still doesn't work, although it is a little more favourable than spewing ANSI escape codes everywhere,
so perhaps you have some terminal settings that are different to mine....

Ahh, you are using Mystic.

iTerm works well with processing the ANSI escape sequences - but is still a UTF-8 terminal.

Since I use Synchronet, it detects me as a UTF-8 terminal and is doing some translation, so the graphics are "better" (but not perfect). Telnet to my BBS (alterant.bbs.leenooks.net) and you'll see what I mean.



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Am 29.08.21 schrieb hyjinx@1337:2/104 in TQW_LINUX:

Hallo hyjinx,

I'd like to be able to task-switch though. So one moment, work on the
bbs, the next, read my email with mutt. Unfortunately, when using tmux,
ANSI is all fubar. Is there a patch that can be applied that fixes
this, or even some sort of flag at runtime? I've tried the usual
TERM=pcansi etc but no dice.

If your problem is the codepage, have a look at this tool, maybe it helps:

https://github.com/keaston/cp437

Regards,
Anna

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On 29 Aug 2021, hyjinx said the following...

Hi - anyone here a fan of tmux, like I am (or screen for that matter?)

I use my IBM PC to telnet to a raspberrypi to connect to BBSes using Michael Brutman's (brutman.com) MTelnet. It works great.

I'd like to be able to task-switch though. So one moment, work on the
bbs, the next, read my email with mutt. Unfortunately, when using tmux, ANSI is all fubar. Is there a patch that can be applied that fixes this, or even some sort of flag at runtime? I've tried the usual TERM=pcansi
etc but no dice.

whenever you log into a BBS, if it gives you the option, choose UTF-8 so it will display right.

In your Mystic CFG you can set your BBS to use UTF-8 and/or CP437, I set it to Ask the user on login, which is safest as when set to detect it doesn't always get it right.

Hope that helps you out. UTF-8 allows me to use any terminal with or without screen/tmux and see it just right.

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Am 29.08.21 schrieb hyjinx@1337:2/104 in TQW_LINUX:

Hallo hyjinx,

Hey Anna, how are you doing?

If your problem is the codepage, have a look at this tool, maybe it
helps:

https://github.com/keaston/cp437

Thanks, I actually have that already installed but I've never figured out a
use for it, but perhaps running cp437 tmux will fix the problem! Thank you
for that suggestion, I'll give it a shot!

Cheers,
Al


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Am 31.08.21 schrieb hyjinx@1337:2/104 in TQW_LINUX:

Hallo hyjinx,

Hey Anna, how are you doing?

Quite well, thank you. The next two weeks, I'm on holidays :)

https://github.com/keaston/cp437

Thanks, I actually have that already installed but I've never figured out a use for it, but perhaps running cp437 tmux will fix the problem! Thank you for that suggestion, I'll give it a shot!

Did it help?

Regards,
Anna

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Thanks, I actually have that already installed but I've never figured o use for it, but perhaps running cp437 tmux will fix the problem! Thank for that suggestion, I'll give it a shot!

Did it help?

running $cp437 tmux didn't seem to make any difference ;( I raised a bug at tmux github and they suggested using luit, so I'll look into that.

Cheers,
Al


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running $cp437 tmux didn't seem to make any difference ;( I raised a bug at tmux github and they suggested using luit, so I'll look into that.

you don't need to use cp437, use UTF-8 instead, it works fine for me
you just need to adjust your mystic config to allow using utf-8 like this;

Open ./mystic -cfg
Configuration -> Login/Matrix -> Ask Codepage: ASK

Now whenever you log into your BBS, if you are in tmux, choose UTF-8 and it will work like SyncTERM does with CP437.

Simples.

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