Greetings,

In the last week or so ive gotten roughly 2500 dupes? Is this something with
my system? Or is anyone else having this happen?

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Regards,

Rick // Nitro

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Hello Nitro,

In the last week or so ive gotten roughly 2500 dupes? Is this
something with my system? Or is anyone else having this happen?

I haven't seen much of anything at all in the way of dupes, at least not in fsxNet. Were these dupes in fsxNet?

Have a look at the path line in those dupes (press V) to see where they came from. Maybe someone is sunding you dupes without realizing it.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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I haven't seen much of anything at all in the way of dupes, at least not in fsxNet. Were these dupes in fsxNet?

No sorry Al I posted in the wrong spot my bad.. Its fido and in particular SYNCDATA echo that is posting them all..

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Regards,

Rick // Nitro

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Hello Nitro,

No sorry Al I posted in the wrong spot my bad.. Its fido and in
particular SYNCDATA echo that is posting them all..

Yep, there's lots of traffic in there that all looks the same but it is different, at least it should be.

In golded or Mystic press V to view the kludges and see where they came from on the path line.

Are these dupes all getting tossed to your dupe/bad message area?

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Dupes
By: Nitro to All on Sun Apr 26 2020 08:57 pm

In the last week or so ive gotten roughly 2500 dupes? Is this something with my system? Or is anyone else having this happen?

I havent noticed any (unusual) dupes...
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On 26 Apr 2020, Nitro said the following...

No sorry Al I posted in the wrong spot my bad.. Its fido and in
particular SYNCDATA echo that is posting them all..

Do you have Dovenet setup as well as Fidonet?

If so, Dovenet is where the SYNCDATA echo originates, and it gets gated to Fidonet. So yes, you would see duplicates, especially if they have the same echotag for two separate networks. Just as well, anything you write or post
in there would get posted to both Dovenet and Fidonet at the same time, which would probably get re-posted to Fidonet once it goes through Vertrauen.

Accession

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On 27 Apr 2020, Accession said the following...

Do you have Dovenet setup as well as Fidonet?

That's another good point. Reading the what's new I see Mystic now has the ability to gate between ftn <-> QWK although I haven't looked at that at all and don't know how it works.

If you have dove-net by QWK on your board make sure there is no echo tag or linked FTN nodes.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 27 Apr 2020, Al said the following...

Do you have Dovenet setup as well as Fidonet?

That's another good point. Reading the what's new I see Mystic now has
the ability to gate between ftn <-> QWK although I haven't looked at
that at all and don't know how it works.

If I'm guessing correctly and he indeed has both networks installed, gating between the two may be what's happening, but not intentionally. The problem
is that the echotag is the same for both networks, so when a message gets posted in one echo, it gets saved to both. I believe I changed my Dovenet echotag to be SYNC_DAT or something, so the two wouldn't be the same.

Now that I think of it, it may be every Synchronet related echo that is a
part of both networks. SYNCHRONET is another, and SYNCPROG may be another
one.

If you have dove-net by QWK on your board make sure there is no echo tag or linked FTN nodes.

I believe you still need an echotag so your QWK setup knows what it's pulling from Vertrauen. It should just be different than the echotag for Fidonet.

Accession

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Hello Accession,

I believe you still need an echotag so your QWK setup knows what it's pulling from Vertrauen. It should just be different than the echotag
for Fidonet.

None of my dove-net QWK areas have an echo tag defined. I think the areas are all pulled in based on QWK Network and QWK Base ID.

I guess if someone was gateing they would need an echo tag as well, but I don't think anyone will be gating DOVE-Net.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 27 Apr 2020, Al said the following...

None of my dove-net QWK areas have an echo tag defined. I think the
areas are all pulled in based on QWK Network and QWK Base ID.

Ah yeah that's right. The QWK IDs are where it's at. Either way, if he's receiving Dovenet via QWK and the Synchronet related echos via Fidonet, he
will see the same messages twice.

I guess if someone was gateing they would need an echo tag as well, but
I don't think anyone will be gating DOVE-Net.

I do, and have for quite some time. Not only for my own system(s), but for others that run BBS softwares that don't support QWK networking. I've had a
few of the same links here for Dovenet for probably 10+ years now, but I made sure as to not have the same echotags for both networks back then. ;)

Accession

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Re: Dupes
By: Accession to Al on Mon Apr 27 2020 06:27 pm

On 27 Apr 2020, Al said the following...

Do you have Dovenet setup as well as Fidonet?

That's another good point. Reading the what's new I see Mystic now has the ability to gate between ftn <-> QWK although I haven't looked at that at all and don't know how it works.

If I'm guessing correctly and he indeed has both networks installed, gating between the two may be what's happening, but not intentionally.

Unlikely.

The problem
is that the echotag is the same for both networks, so when a message gets posted in one echo, it gets saved to both. I believe I changed my Dovenet echotag to be SYNC_DAT or something, so the two wouldn't be the same.

DOVE-Net on Synchronet is usually via QWKnet, which means no echo-tag/area-tag is applicable (QWK uses conference *numbers* not names). And Synchronet will refuse to gate between network-types (e.g. FTN->QWK or QWK->FTN) unless explicitly enabled by the sysop.

Now that I think of it, it may be every Synchronet related echo that is a part of both networks. SYNCHRONET is another, and SYNCPROG may be another one.

If you have dove-net by QWK on your board make sure there is no echo tag or linked FTN nodes.

I believe you still need an echotag so your QWK setup knows what it's pulling from Vertrauen. It should just be different than the echotag for Fidonet.

Maybe you're conflating internal-codes with area-tags? Even if the sysop accidentally use the same internal-code for multiple sub-boards, he'd have to explicitly enable gating between net-types.

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On 28 Apr 2020, Digital Man said the following...

Maybe you're conflating internal-codes with area-tags? Even if the sysop accidentally use the same internal-code for multiple sub-boards, he'd
have to explicitly enable gating between net-types.

Yep, that's most likely what I did. Even so, with the same internal code and what I was originally describing, he would just see the same messages posted
in two echos. Nothing actually wrong with the setup, or him specifically
making dupes. Just basically having the same echo setup in two networks and seeing messages twice - possibly thinking they were dupes.

Just a scenario I ran into a long time ago. At least that's what I was originally suggesting may have happened. Then it got way out of hand. ;)

Accession

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Greetings All,

I am exploring a issue where I send out a message from my point to my bbs and then I get it back to my point as a new unread message? Anyone have this going on with a point system? Before anyone hollars that I posted this already in fido mystic I am doing this on purpose and not to annoy anyone I just want to see if Fsxnet behaves the same...<VBG>

Regards ...
Rick Smith
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On 16 May 2020 at 04:24p, Rick Smith pondered and said...

I am exploring a issue where I send out a message from my point to my
bbs and then I get it back to my point as a new unread message? Anyone have this going on with a point system? Before anyone hollars that I posted this already in fido mystic I am doing this on purpose and not to annoy anyone I just want to see if Fsxnet behaves the same...<VBG>

what software is the point and the BBS that is feeding the point running Rick?

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//Hello Avon, //

On *17.05.20* At *15:59:29* you replied to a post in *FSX_MYS*
from *Rick Smith* About *"Re: Dupes"*.

what software is the point and the BBS that is feeding the point running Rick?

So I have two point setups and they both have the same result. Winpoint on one, and binkd,husky and golded on the other. I use my mystic bbs as my boss to my points, what I can see is when I upload from my point (poll) mystic (my bbs) gets messages and poll its boss node (SBBS) then it comes back through normal polling and gets sent as a new unread message to my point? Seems like that shouldnt happen, since it originated here.


Regards ...
Rick Smith

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//Hello Avon, //

On *17.05.20* At *15:59:29* you replied to a post in *FSX_MYS*
from *Rick Smith* About *"Re: Dupes"*.

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what software is the point and the BBS that is feeding the point running Rick?

Sorry Paul I should also have mentioned that I ran a test here to my bbs then to your hub and it still came back as a new unread message.

Regards ...
Rick Smith

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Here is the message I sent pau, 2 minutes later is came back to my point, I included the kludge lines...

On *16.05.20* At *21:10:59* you replied to a post in *FSX_MYS*
from *Avon* About *"Dupes"*.

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On *17.05.20* At *15:59:29* you replied to a post in *FSX_MYS* from
*Rick Smith* About *"Re: Dupes"*.

what software is the point and the BBS that is feeding the point running
Rick?

So I have two point setups and they both have the same result. Winpoint
on one, and binkd,husky and golded on the other. I use my mystic bbs as my boss to my points, what I can see is when I upload from my point
(poll) mystic (my bbs) gets messages and poll its boss node (SBBS) then
it comes back through normal polling and gets sent as a new unread
message to my point? Seems like that shouldnt happen, since it originated here.

Regards ... Rick Smith

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Regards ...
Rick Smith

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