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    From Richard Menedetter@21:1/104 to tausoldier on Thu Jul 26 12:14:18 2018
    Hi tausoldier!

    25 Jul 2018 22:11, from tausoldier -> All:

    The method is based on Chaos Theory, It solves the key exchange
    problem and scales for Quantum Computing.
    The project is looking for investors.

    Please show us the peer reviews of good crpyto researchers on the algorithm.

    If it has not been peer reviewed nobody will invest.
    And they are absolutely right about not wasting their money, as the risk of a major design flaw is near 100% for not peer reviewed crypto algorithms.

    Read Phil Zimmermanns texts about his first crypto implementation and how long it took to get it right.

    As of the legality of asking for funds in this echo please ask Paul Hayton about it.

    CU, Ricsi

    PS: You forgot IoT, blockchain and AI from your Bullshit Bingo.

    ... Some people can stay longer in an hour than others can in a week.
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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Richard Menedetter on Fri Jul 27 10:54:20 2018
    On 07/26/18, Richard Menedetter pondered and said...

    Hi Rici

    As of the legality of asking for funds in this echo please ask Paul
    Hayton about it.

    Let's get to that in a second...

    Please show us the peer reviews of good crpyto researchers on the algorithm.
    If it has not been peer reviewed nobody will invest.
    And they are absolutely right about not wasting their money, as the risk of a major design flaw is near 100% for not peer reviewed crypto algorithms.

    Fair enough comments, some may, some may not want to invest but in the end
    they can contact the person named for more info if they wish to follow it up.

    As of the legality of asking for funds in this echo please ask Paul
    Hayton about it.

    This is fine, there's nothing I can see that's illegally tied to the request and it's been posted in an informative manner. It's not like we see 'hey
    buddy can you spare a dime for ..xyz' style posts every week so I don't see this as a problem / issue at present.

    PS: You forgot IoT, blockchain and AI from your Bullshit Bingo.

    This comment I do take umbrage with. It's totally unnecessary, comes across
    as mean spirited and aggressive. Please desist from doing this. It's just baiting someone to respond and not the kind of conduct wanted in fsxNet.

    Thanks, Paul.

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  • From deepthaw@21:1/112 to Avon on Thu Jul 26 20:47:36 2018
    Fair enough comments, some may, some may not want to invest but in the
    end they can contact the person named for more info if they wish to
    follow it up.

    Sorry Avon, but this "business opportunity" is 100% woo, and no better than a perpetual motion device or otherwise. If you let it slide here, you're going
    to find the place deluged with crackpot "scientists" trying to get money for everything under the sun.

    If it's a real thing, it needs to be posted for peer review. Cryptography is *not* something you keep under lock and key. (ha. funny.)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to deepthaw on Fri Jul 27 13:38:28 2018
    On 07/26/18, deepthaw pondered and said...

    Sorry Avon, but this "business opportunity" is 100% woo, and no better than a perpetual motion device or otherwise. If you let it slide here, you're going to find the place deluged with crackpot "scientists" trying to get money for everything under the sun.

    I'm not suggesting due diligence should not be done by people. But I didn't find anything objectionable in the original posters content.

    If it's a real thing, it needs to be posted for peer review.
    Cryptography is *not* something you keep under lock and key. (ha. funny.)

    Yep fair enough.. and also noted by Rici..

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  • From Richard Menedetter@21:1/104 to Avon on Fri Jul 27 15:43:18 2018
    Hi Avon!

    27 Jul 2018 10:54, from Avon -> Richard Menedetter:

    it's been posted in an informative manner.

    You have a very different definition of informative than I do.

    There was NO real information in the message.

    As I see it there are 3 possibilitites:

    1) real interesting information
    2) first program without any clue what they are doing (maybe not with bad intent)
    3) actual SCAM to get money

    1) is ruled completely out by the incredible incompetence.
    No naming of the company or the people.
    No naming of the actual algorithm, and no description except buzzwords.

    What I would hav expected is something like this:
    "Me Mr John Doe and Mrs. jane Smith just opened a new startup company called "company". (The two of us have over 50 years of applied cryptology experience). Our first product is XXXX. It is a new crypto algorithm with these Unique Selling Points YYYY.
    It has been heavily peer reviewed and no issues were found.

    You can read more about us here https://www.company.com/aboutus and mor about our product here
    https://www.company.com/products/xxxx including peer reviewd papers about xxx and 7 independantly conducted cryptoanalysises of xxx. There is also a link to our patent that was granted for xxxx.

    If you you have additional questions not answered in our big FAQ please contact
    press@company.com"

    So 1) is clearly not applicable, so either 2) or 3).
    If in doubt assume the positive case, so 2).

    They do not even say what problem the agorithm is based upon (ECC, prime factorization, ...)
    It does not even state if it is a symmetric or asymmetric cipher.

    PS: You forgot IoT, blockchain and AI from your Bullshit Bingo.
    This comment I do take umbrage with.

    Sorry ... I just reread the message, and I 100% stand by my comment.
    Chaos theory, quantum computing and no word of an explanation or useful facts.

    not the kind of conduct wanted in fsx

    Then please delete me from the next fsxnet nodelist.
    (I will delete the fsxnet config after sending this message)

    I get enough spam in my email ... no need to get spammed in an othernet.

    Thank you for the time in FSXNet, but it is time to move on.
    Feel free to contact me at 2:310/31@fidonet.

    Wish you all the best.

    CU, Ricsi

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    --- GoldED+/LNX
    * Origin: I'm no April fool...I'm like this all year long! (21:1/104)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Richard Menedetter on Sat Jul 28 09:52:28 2018
    On 07/27/18, Richard Menedetter pondered and said...

    Hi Avon!

    it's been posted in an informative manner.

    You have a very different definition of informative than I do.
    There was NO real information in the message.

    We see it differently and that's fine.

    As I see it there are 3 possibilitites:

    1) real interesting information
    2) first program without any clue what they are doing (maybe not with bad intent)
    3) actual SCAM to get money

    [snip - lengthy thought process]

    PS: You forgot IoT, blockchain and AI from your Bullshit Bingo.
    This comment I do take umbrage with.

    Sorry ... I just reread the message, and I 100% stand by my comment.
    Chaos theory, quantum computing and no word of an explanation or useful facts.

    Sadly you miss the point. The point being by all means disagree with the original poster but desist in the unnecessary insults. You have a well known history of crafting provocative content in the name of a debate but as I see it, it's often been unnecessary in order to make whatever point you wanted
    to, and not in the spirit of the network (refer fsxNet goals in FSXNET.TXT).

    As you have been called on this over time you have opted to delink from most fsxNet echos and remained linked to just this one.

    not the kind of conduct wanted in fsx

    Then please delete me from the next fsxnet nodelist.
    (I will delete the fsxnet config after sending this message)

    OK will do.

    I get enough spam in my email ... no need to get spammed in an othernet.

    You have been linked to just this one echo area for many months now.
    Compared to all other echo areas in fsxNet this echo area gets the least amount of traffic. If you're worried about spam I'd be more worried about your email than volumes of what you deem objectionable here.

    Thank you for the time in FSXNet, but it is time to move on.

    Thank you for being part of it also.

    Feel free to contact me at 2:310/31@fidonet.

    I have no need to.

    Wish you all the best.

    You too.

    CU, Ricsi

    Best, Paul.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From deepthaw@21:1/112 to tausoldier on Sat Jul 28 00:49:08 2018
    Ralph Abraham is a long-time acquaintance of Paul, largely responsible
    for making his ideas into a program. His credentials among upper-level cryptographic experts are unquestionable.

    What published papers on encryption does he have? His personal website lists none. He does appear to have a number of papers attempting to tie mathematics to mysticism, and is an advocate for the mind-opening experiences of DMT.

    Who among this group is the expert in quantum computing?

    Why would anybody invest in a project in which a person holding 30% of the stock is by your own admittance, a burden?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to deepthaw on Sat Jul 28 09:47:00 2018
    On Thursday, July 26th deepthaw was heard saying...
    If it's a real thing, it needs to be posted for peer review. Cryptography is *not* something you keep under lock and key. (ha. funny.)

    This.


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