• Re: Neuralink

    From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to DaiTengu on Sun Aug 30 05:18:02 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: DaiTengu to HusTler on Sat Aug 29 2020 02:29 pm

    It's just easier to be nice to people. If you're nice to people, most of the time, they're nice to you. I don't need some fear of eternal damnmation for that.

    DaiTengu

    It must be nice to be able to feel that way.

    My experience is that if you are nice to people you get a stab in the back.

    My most succesful relations are business relations that are dead cold corporative emotionless for some reason.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sun Aug 30 09:51:38 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Aug 29 2020 07:06 pm

    You quoted me & seemed to be replying to me, but for some reason
    your reply was addressed to Tracker1..

    i'm using your msg editor

    My message editor has no way of controlling who the message is posted to. That's done by Synchronet. The message editor just edits whatever file Synchronet tells it to edit.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sun Aug 30 14:05:43 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Aug 30 2020 09:51 am

    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Aug 29 2020 07:06 pm

    You quoted me & seemed to be replying to me, but for some reason
    your reply was addressed to Tracker1..

    i'm using your msg editor

    My message editor has no way of controlling who the message is posted to. That's done by Synchronet. The message editor just edits whatever file Synchronet tells it to edit.


    dunno, i didnt type in someone else's name
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to DaiTengu on Sun Aug 30 13:14:04 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: DaiTengu to HusTler on Sat Aug 29 2020 02:29 pm

    In a way we're seeing a lot of that... Humanist narcisism and
    depression combined with identity politics. Not that all religions

    Don't know about that. It took me 3 years of Psychotherapy to undo the damage done by my Chatholic upbringing. Depression and panic attacks

    I grew up catholic, went to catholic schools, but was a pretty terrible kid

    It's just easier to be nice to people. If you're nice to people, most of the time, they're nice to you. I don't need some fear of eternal damnmation for

    I don't think I ever forgave my mother for bringing us up that way. I can tell you my entire family is a bunch of screwballs. ;-). My sister brought her 11 kids up Catholic. Want a bunch. Drugs, teen pregnacies. So much for "being a good Catholic". lol

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Andeddu on Sun Aug 30 13:50:10 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Andeddu to Tracker1 on Sat Aug 29 2020 09:57 am

    "You're Joseph Stalin, you've taken over Russia. You've been educated in a seminary in Georgia, by the way. Up until 1917, for hundereds of years, hundreds of millions of Russians have been told that the head of the state i a state that did that and fell into tyranny, and slavery, and famine and torture and then we'll be on a level playing field. As it is, all you've don is show that the idea of worship and the idea of credulity and the idea of servility and slavery to religion is a bad idea in the first place."

    What's your point? Are you pissed for being Russian or raised in a Communist Country? Thanks for the history lesson but I was brought up hiding under desks at school for fear of being bombed by Russia. So yea. Commies are Evil people. What else is new?

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Andeddu on Sun Aug 30 13:56:07 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Andeddu to Tracker1 on Sat Aug 29 2020 10:00 am

    Western societies cannot afford to house elderly people in care homes due to massive funding gap. I can foresee the old ways returning as the current methods are simply unsustainable.

    What are you talking about? Nursing Homes are completly full here in the US. It's almost impossible to find an empty bed. Can't afford? If you can't afford it the Government pays for it. It's called Medicaid. Ever hear of it? Unsustainable? Says who? You? Americans have always taken care of our own. That's who we are.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Sun Aug 30 14:02:23 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Sat Aug 29 2020 02:19 pm

    Western societies cannot afford to house elderly people in care homes

    Yet there are a lot of elderly people living in care homes in the US.. I ha
    the impression that the costs are usually paid by the individuals living th or their families, at least in the US. I don't think they're publicly funde in the US.

    Yes they are. If you have exhausted all of your income Medicaid (Federal/State) aid pays for it. No.. you can't own a house and get free housing in a Nursing Home. That would be cheating. If you really can't afford it, the Government will pay for it. Each state has it's own rules but the money comes from the federal government. For how long? Until you die.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Sun Aug 30 14:14:30 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sat Aug 29 2020 07:05 pm

    my mom was a manager at a nursing home. that shit was expensive. some resident's costs are over a thousand usd a day. i dont even know if insuranc even covers that type of care anymore. ---

    Not many insurance plans do. Pensions are a different story. It's a sad realty but if you're completly broke (and can prove it) the government pays for nursing homes. In my State New York they want your last 5 years of income. Banks SS pensions, Mutal funds etc. If you still have money in the bank (In your name) or own property (Car, House, Stocks, Bonds or any other income) you will have to exhaust those funds/sell before uncle sam will pay. If you still own a home and need a Nursing Home the government has the right to take that home to pay your bill. And they WILL take your home. I've know many people that have lost their homes to the government that way. Word of advice. Plan for your future.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Sun Aug 30 14:17:45 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Aug 29 2020 07:06 pm

    You quoted me & seemed to be replying to me, but for some reason your reply was addressed to Tracker1..



    i'm using your msg editor
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    I have the same problem with Slyedit. Glad you pointed that out. If you notice I took out quoting with initials just to avoid being acused of quoting the wrong person.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sun Aug 30 10:11:33 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Sat Aug 29 2020 02:19 pm

    Yet there are a lot of elderly people living in care homes in the US.. I had
    the impression that the costs are usually paid by the individuals living there or their families, at least in the US. I don't think they're publicly funded in the US.

    Not very likely. Most US families live pay cheque to pay cheque and social care can cost around one thousand dollars each week. The elderly ususally have to liquidate their assets to pay for their own care, however those who have nothing do not have to pay. In the UK that's what happens as a lot of older people anticipating a move into a care home transfer their houses and other assets to their offspring 7 years prior, so they do not have any assets worth seizing.

    Social care is one of the largest unfunded liabilities in the West and no country can afford it in the long-term. New solutions will have to be discovered for our generation. I hope automation can deal with this problem... robot carers may be the future.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Sun Aug 30 10:17:27 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sat Aug 29 2020 07:05 pm

    my mom was a manager at a nursing home. that shit was expensive. some resident's costs are over a thousand usd a day. i dont even know if insurance even covers that type of care anymore.

    It's incredible... insurance policies do not pay for care as it could run into the tens of millions per person, which would bankrupt any company. In the UK elderly people have their assets seized to pay for their care. The problem is that a house will only make up for around 2 years of care before the tax-payer has to foot the bill. A lot of people do not have houses either, as they were living in council owned properties or renting. The idea of nursing homes is unsustainable - I gurarantee you I won't be seeing a nursing home as they'll be rendered obsolete by then. At best, my generation will have to have their children look after them.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Gamgee on Sun Aug 30 10:20:06 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Sat Aug 29 2020 09:59 pm

    Never heard of him.

    You obviously don't do much reading. He's one of the most celebrated intellects of the previous generation. Also, he was speaking ill of Communism, likening it to a sick religion... you'd have saw that if you had any reading comprehention.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to DaiTengu on Sun Aug 30 10:04:00 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: DaiTengu to HusTler on Sat Aug 29 2020 02:29 pm

    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: HusTler to Tracker1 on Sat Aug 29 2020 10:55 am

    In a way we're seeing a lot of that... Humanist narcisism and
    depression combined with identity politics. Not that all religions
    are the same, and some have evolved over time. A common thread is
    people that have faith tend to be happier and more fulfilled in their
    lives. I don't

    Don't know about that. It took me 3 years of Psychotherapy to undo the damage done by my Chatholic upbringing. Depression and panic attacks we my primary symptoms. That will happen when you're told as a child you a bad and born a sinner. To be forgivin you have to go in a dark booth an tell the priest how bad you were/are. That's pretty sick shit if you as me.

    I grew up catholic, went to catholic schools, but was a pretty terrible kid believed in religion, or in any specific brand of religion.

    It's just easier to be nice to people. If you're nice to people, most of the

    DaiTengu

    ... I'm famous. That's my job.


    I was raised as a Lutheran, and also lived in a rural environment. I have visitied Catholic churches and sat through Catholic services, though. From what I perceived, Catholicism is much more urbanized. More detail is put
    into the appearance of the church to inspire it's greatness and power, and
    some of the practices such as hearing a confession appeared to be means for a church run state to know who the troublemakers were.

    Some things were carried over or kept from Catholicism after the reformation, t however the Luthern faith has a little more compatibility with regards to expansionism because it's structure is stripped down. In a way they put less reliance in the church to connect with God. Lutherans still like to have a nice church to goto , however they are not as ornate. I have only been to two
    or three churches that were older than 100 years old, and they were a little more ornate, but otherwise newer churches put more in the utility of the building.

    In adult life I never really considered faith a reason to like or dislike peopel, however the strange thing is the better friends I had turned to be Lutheran without me knowing it right away.

    Not bragging, just an observation. Have others such as Catholics find theselv es making more friends of their faith without previous knowledge?

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Sun Aug 30 10:14:00 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: MRO to Tracker1 on Sat Aug 29 2020 01:16 pm



    I've been able to stay in the same state though, and currently I live & work in the same general area I grew up in.

    maybe it just seems that way because of the region you are in. in my area p

    I have several relatives that are regional if you use the regional in a
    larger tense. Instead of a half hour away, some are several hours away, yet
    in the same state. I live4 on the west coast of southwest Michigan, and on a clear day with binoculars see building in Chicago from the beach. Some of my relatives moved closer to Detroit and in the bottom of the thumb or further up
    the mitten for work, yet the cousin living outside of Chicago others in norther Indiana have a much shorter drive.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Sun Aug 30 10:30:00 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: MRO to mage on Sat Aug 29 2020 01:20 pm

    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: mage to HusTler on Fri Aug 28 2020 03:53 pm

    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: HusTler to Andeddu on Wed Aug 26 2020 11:30 pm

    The world will be better off without relgion. It's like taking a cancer out.


    maybe the world would be better without people like you who think in such ab

    I was listening to an interview with a man from India, and the discussion was about the caste system, and how it still has it's subtle influences. The
    guest spoke of how Indians (and most likely everyone else) feel uncomfortable while travelling outside their borders and seek out someone with something in common to talk to. He said he would avoid as much as possible to bring up castes, because that would usually shut down any further discussion. Two poeple who go from discussing common backgrounds, then suddenly shut down because of what an older tier system tells them to.

    One time at lunch at work I was sitting with a group of engineers, and
    somehow the caste system was brough up. One engineer said it no longer mattered and he saw no discrimination. No one disagreed at that time. When
    he finished and walked away, the other Indian guys mentioned he was in a high caste with great priviledge. I don't know if the guy was exaggerating, but
    he said the other guy had servants to carry him so he would not touch the ground. Obviously, he would see no difference in treatment.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Arelor on Sun Aug 30 17:47:48 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Sun Aug 30 2020 05:18 am

    It's just easier to be nice to people. If you're nice to people, most
    of the time, they're nice to you. I don't need some fear of eternal
    damnmation for that.

    It must be nice to be able to feel that way.

    My experience is that if you are nice to people you get a stab in the back.

    Don't get me wrong. you can't be a pushover. If you're nice to someone, and they fuck you over, revenge is a dish best served cold.

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.


    My most succesful relations are business relations that are dead cold corporative emotionless for some reason.

    I don't think I've ever had a "cold emotionless" relationship with anyone. All my interactions with anyone are generally filled with attitude and sarcasm.

    DaiTengu

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to HusTler on Sun Aug 30 17:51:01 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: HusTler to Andeddu on Sun Aug 30 2020 01:56 pm

    What are you talking about? Nursing Homes are completly full here in the US. It's almost impossible to find an empty bed. Can't afford? If you can't afford it the Government pays for it. It's called Medicaid. Ever hear of it? Unsustainable? Says who? You? Americans have always taken care of our own. That's who we are.

    Have you ever had to deal with Medicaid and nursing homes? You better pre-plan for it, by no less than 5 years. You'll need a lawyer. Assuming you don't want to lose everything you own, at least.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Sun Aug 30 19:42:18 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: HusTler to Andeddu on Sun Aug 30 2020 01:56 pm


    What are you talking about? Nursing Homes are completly full here in the US. It's almost impossible to find an empty bed. Can't afford? If you can't afford it the Government pays for it. It's called Medicaid. Ever hear of it? Unsustainable? Says who? You? Americans have always taken care of our own. That's who we are.


    i'm pretty sure the nursing home model is a failed one and they transitioned to an 'assisted living' model. it's still expensive.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Sun Aug 30 19:45:11 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: HusTler to MRO on Sun Aug 30 2020 02:14 pm

    of income. Banks SS pensions, Mutal funds etc. If you still have money in the bank (In your name) or own property (Car, House, Stocks, Bonds or any other income) you will have to exhaust those funds/sell before uncle sam will pay. If you still own a home and need a Nursing Home the government has the right to take that home to pay your bill. And they WILL take your home. I've know many people that have lost their homes to the government that way. Word of advice. Plan for your future.



    that's too bad but that's how it goes. i wish that instead of social security,etc my money would go into a private fund like a 401k. that way i can have some control over it and the govt cant dip into it.

    i'm planning to work until i die. that's my gameplan. i dont have much saved up for retirement because i wasnt smart during my 20s. i had to work hard through my 30s and now i might lose employment because of the economy and the covid. this was supposed to be my last job. i'm tough though. i have other jobs in mind, but i dont like starting over or managing people.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sun Aug 30 19:58:03 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Aug 30 2020 10:30 am

    mattered and he saw no discrimination. No one disagreed at that time. When he finished and walked away, the other Indian guys mentioned he was in a high caste with great priviledge. I don't know if the guy was exaggerating, but he said the other guy had servants to carry him so he would not touch the ground. Obviously, he would see no difference in treatment.


    yeah and people will always find a way to spot differences and treat someone different for them.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Andeddu on Sun Aug 30 21:13:00 2020
    Andeddu wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Never heard of him.

    You obviously don't do much reading.

    I do a LOT of reading. Just not about leftist-whackjobs out on
    the fringe of lunacy. Don't have any time for that kind of
    nonsense. I'm happy that you do, though.

    He's one of the most celebrated intellects of the previous
    generation.

    LOL! Yeah right.

    Also, he was
    speaking ill of Communism, likening it to a sick religion...
    you'd have saw that if you had any reading comprehention.

    I'd have "saw" it if I had "comprehention", eh?

    Sounds like you need to do some reading too, of middle-school
    textbooks.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Sat Aug 29 07:45:00 2020
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    Damnation Alley was my gateway to post apocalyptic society. Ark II was another favorite. I watched some Planet of the Apes before that,
    however I was too young to really appreciate some of it.


    Who'd win in a street fight? Snake Plissken or Hell Tanner?

    My son is 17 and took a film appreciation class last year, and he's
    taken a liking to cult classics. We watched "Escape from New York",
    and he especially liked the intro.

    "THE FUTURE - 1997."





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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to HusTler on Mon Aug 31 03:39:14 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: HusTler to Andeddu on Sun Aug 30 2020 01:50 pm

    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Andeddu to Tracker1 on Sat Aug 29 2020 09:57 am

    "You're Joseph Stalin, you've taken over Russia. You've been educated in seminary in Georgia, by the way. Up until 1917, for hundereds of years, hundreds of millions of Russians have been told that the head of the stat a state that did that and fell into tyranny, and slavery, and famine and torture and then we'll be on a level playing field. As it is, all you've is show that the idea of worship and the idea of credulity and the idea o servility and slavery to religion is a bad idea in the first place."

    What's your point? Are you pissed for being Russian or raised in a Communi Country? Thanks for the history lesson but I was brought up hiding under des at school for fear of being bombed by Russia. So yea. Commies are Evil peopl What else is new?

    HusTler
    havens.synchro.net:23


    I think his point is that when you become a dictator, you try to keep your citizen-slaves down and controlled via belief systems such as religion. Also,
    I think it is implied that personalist dictatorships (Arelor is the ruler because he is the best, he eats nails for breakfast and squashes nazies with the pinky finger!) are much like religions.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 31 07:32:04 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Sat Aug 29 2020 07:45 am

    Who'd win in a street fight? Snake Plissken or Hell Tanner?

    Damnation Alley has been on my "to read" list for years. I should probably get to it, some day. I never saw the film, but I've heard it's quite different than the original book.

    My son is 17 and took a film appreciation class last year, and he's
    taken a liking to cult classics. We watched "Escape from New York",
    and he especially liked the intro.

    That's awesome. lots of people (myself included, sometimes) don't appreciate some of the more classic sci-fi and cult films like that because the pacing on them is just so much slower than films now days.


    "THE FUTURE - 1997."

    Man, remember when that was "The Future" ?

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to HusTler on Mon Aug 31 10:09:58 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: HusTler to Andeddu on Sun Aug 30 2020 01:50 pm

    What's your point? Are you pissed for being Russian or raised in a Communist Country? Thanks for the history lesson but I was brought up hiding under desks at school for fear of being bombed by Russia. So yea. Commies are Evil people. What else is new?

    The point is that you do not require a divine supreme being to believe in, in order to have a religion. So called "secular" ideologies are every bit as religious as those that claim to be.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to HusTler on Mon Aug 31 10:13:14 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: HusTler to Andeddu on Sun Aug 30 2020 01:56 pm

    What are you talking about? Nursing Homes are completly full here in the US. It's almost impossible to find an empty bed. Can't afford? If you can't afford it the Government pays for it. It's called Medicaid. Ever hear of it? Unsustainable? Says who? You? Americans have always taken care of our own. That's who we are.

    Americans are going to have to take care of their own in their own homes soon as the government will not be able to pay for nursing homes long term. Quite a few states are already insolvent, if you haven't noticed. Come back to me in 10 years and we'll see what the lay of the land is like. I have a feeling nursing homes are going to be exclusively for those who can pay for it wholesale with no government subsidies.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Gamgee on Mon Aug 31 10:46:22 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Sun Aug 30 2020 09:13 pm

    Andeddu wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Never heard of him.

    You obviously don't do much reading.

    I do a LOT of reading. Just not about leftist-whackjobs out on
    the fringe of lunacy. Don't have any time for that kind of
    nonsense. I'm happy that you do, though.

    He's one of the most celebrated intellects of the previous
    generation.

    LOL! Yeah right.

    Also, he was
    speaking ill of Communism, likening it to a sick religion...
    you'd have saw that if you had any reading comprehention.

    I'd have "saw" it if I had "comprehention", eh?

    Sounds like you need to do some reading too, of middle-school
    textbooks.

    So you made a comment to me without actually reading the relatively small paragraph I had pasted onto my post. You tell me then, at which point does Hitchens advocate Communist/Marxist ideals in my post? What on Earth are you talking about? He did nothing but slate far-left politics...

    I think you're referring to Hitchens being an ex-Commie, back when he was a student at Oxford in the late 60s... he ended up becoming a good bit right wing in his later years.

    Here's a step for a hint - next time you made a disparaging comment, actually READ the post you're referring to.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Mon Aug 31 11:27:51 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: MRO to HusTler on Sun Aug 30 2020 07:42 pm

    i'm pretty sure the nursing home model is a failed one and they transitioned an 'assisted living' model. it's still expensive. ---

    Ahhhh. This is where the "game" gets tricky. I call it the game because if you don't have a lawyer to sort things out you will get burnt. I've had to put both my parents in Nursing Homes and have played the "game" without paying for lawyers. Medicaid does not pay for assisted living, adult homes, rest homes,group homes. Medicaid only pays for nursing homes. The nursing home model is basically a hospital. 24/7 Nursing care. You'll get a bed with a roomate. You get all your meals. Your bed is made daily. People that can still get around and still want to things often don't like being in this setting. My father hated it. He would stay for 30 days and then they discharge him home. I would care for him until he fell yet again, went to the hospital and back to a nursing home. This went on for 2 years until finally I convinced him to stay. There was no other options. There was no money for an adult home or assisted living. He passed away in a nursing home. I know he did not want to be there.
    Sorry for the rant but I feel it's important to share my experience with nursing homes.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Mon Aug 31 11:37:46 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: MRO to HusTler on Sun Aug 30 2020 07:45 pm

    any other income) you will have to exhaust those funds/sell before uncle sam will pay. If you still own a home and need a Nursing Home the
    that's too bad but that's how it goes. i wish that instead of social security,etc my money would go into a private fund like a 401k. that way i

    i'm planning to work until i die. that's my gameplan. i dont have much saved for retirement because i wasnt smart during my 20s. i had to work hard thro my 30s and now i might lose employment because of the economy and the covid. this was supposed to be my last job. i'm tough though. i have other jobs i mind, but i dont like starting over or managing people. ---

    I felt the same way. But shit happens that we have no control over. What happens if you are in a car accident (Like me) and you can no longer get around? Your spine or neck was injured. Or you get some other disabling disease. Or you just get so old you can't stand for longer then 3 minutes. Life happens and there is no way of knowing how it's going to turn out. All we can do is hope for the best and prepare for the worst. It's human nature not to think about this stuff. It's scary! But we do have choices.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Arelor on Mon Aug 31 11:41:10 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Arelor to HusTler on Mon Aug 31 2020 03:39 am

    "You're Joseph Stalin, you've taken over Russia. You've been educated

    What's your point? Are you pissed for being Russian or raised in a
    Communi Country? Thanks for the history lesson but I was brought up

    I think his point is that when you become a dictator, you try to keep your citizen-slaves down and controlled via belief systems such as religion. Also I think it is implied that personalist dictatorships (Arelor is the ruler because he is the best, he eats nails for breakfast and squashes nazies with the pinky finger!) are much like religions.

    Wow! That's some deep shit. ;-)

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to DaiTengu on Mon Aug 31 12:43:41 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: DaiTengu to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 31 2020 07:32 am

    That's awesome. lots of people (myself included, sometimes) don't apprecia some of the more classic sci-fi and cult films like that because the pacing them is just so much slower than films now days.

    Funny you say that.

    I watch lots of retro films. And by that, I mean silent films even. They are very different than we have today, but your average comedy short was very fast paced.

    Incidentally, silent comedy (Buster Keaton, Chaplin etc) is the only film comedy I tolerate, with some exceptions.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Mon Aug 31 11:59:00 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Aug 30 2020 07:58 pm

    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Aug 30 2020 10:30 am

    mattered and he saw no discrimination. No one disagreed at that time. W he finished and walked away, the other Indian guys mentioned he was in high caste with great priviledge. I don't know if the guy was exaggerating, but he said the other guy had servants to carry him so he would not touch the ground. Obviously, he would see no difference in treatment.


    yeah and people will always find a way to spot differences and treat someone

    And the cure to that is make those differences mean very little. It may take decades, because the emotions tied to these differences may run deep.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 31 12:04:00 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Sat Aug 29 2020 07:45 am

    Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Damnation Alley was my gateway to post apocalyptic society. Ark II was another favorite. I watched some Planet of the Apes before that, however I was too young to really appreciate some of it.


    Who'd win in a street fight? Snake Plissken or Hell Tanner?

    My son is 17 and took a film appreciation class last year, and he's
    taken a liking to cult classics. We watched "Escape from New York",
    and he especially liked the intro.

    "THE FUTURE - 1997."


    Escape from New York was interesting because that was Kurt Russell's first
    edgy action character role. Previously he appeared in Disney films and made
    TV appearances on shows like Lost in Space and Gilligan's Island.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to DaiTengu on Mon Aug 31 12:08:00 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: DaiTengu to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 31 2020 07:32 am

    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Sat Aug 29 2020 07:45 am

    Who'd win in a street fight? Snake Plissken or Hell Tanner?

    Damnation Alley has been on my "to read" list for years. I should probably

    My son is 17 and took a film appreciation class last year, and he's taken a liking to cult classics. We watched "Escape from New York",
    and he especially liked the intro.

    That's awesome. lots of people (myself included, sometimes) don't apprecia


    "THE FUTURE - 1997."

    Man, remember when that was "The Future" ?

    DaiTengu

    ... First secure an independent income, then practice virtue.


    Westworld from 1973 runs at a pretty good pace. No real drawn out parts.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Andeddu on Mon Aug 31 12:14:00 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Andeddu to HusTler on Mon Aug 31 2020 10:09 am

    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: HusTler to Andeddu on Sun Aug 30 2020 01:50 pm

    What's your point? Are you pissed for being Russian or raised in a Communist Country? Thanks for the history lesson but I was brought up hid under desks at school for fear of being bombed by Russia. So yea. Commies are Evil people. What else is new?

    The point is that you do not require a divine supreme being to believe in, i order to have a religion. So called "secular" ideologies are every bit as religious as those that claim to be.


    It all boils down to idolatry. The concept of an all powerful being is taken off the pedestal and replaced with something else. Replace the scriptures
    and hymns with system related propaganda.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to HusTler on Mon Aug 31 15:39:50 2020
    On 8/29/2020 7:55 AM, HusTler wrote:
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Tracker1 to HusTler on Fri Aug 28 2020 10:58 am

    In a way we're seeing a lot of that... Humanist narcisism and depression
    combined with identity politics. Not that all religions are the same,
    and some have evolved over time. A common thread is people that have
    faith tend to be happier and more fulfilled in their lives. I don't

    Don't know about that. It took me 3 years of Psychotherapy to undo the damage
    done by my Chatholic upbringing. Depression and panic attacks were my primary symptoms. That will happen when you're told as a child you are bad and born
    a sinner. To be forgivin you have to go in a dark booth and tell the
    priest how bad you were/are. That's pretty sick shit if you ask me.

    Not all churches and variants on faith are Catholicism.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to DaiTengu on Mon Aug 31 15:42:41 2020
    On 8/29/2020 12:29 PM, DaiTengu wrote:

    It's just easier to be nice to people. If you're nice to people, most of the time, they're nice to you. I don't need some fear of eternal damnmation for that.

    Most people are mostly good, most of the time... I'm pretty much a
    simple deist at this point. Formerly Athiest, but I'd like to say I've
    grown a bit. In other parts of this thread, I pointed out that it's
    important to be civil to even people you wholely disagree with. You
    don't change minds by isolating and insulting people, that tends to be
    more of a radicalization effect instead of the opposite.

    Not to mention the very sore political discourse in the country at this
    point.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Mon Aug 31 15:52:19 2020
    On 8/29/2020 2:17 PM, Nightfox wrote:

    You quoted me & seemed to be replying to me, but for some reason your reply was addressed to Tracker1..

    It could be the region I'm in. It seems most people here moved here from out of state. It seems there are a lot of people here from other countries too. People sometimes joke about the number of people from California who have moved here, and people who are from here sometimes joke about being one of the few who are actually from here.

    Not to me, but I'll chime in... when I was young, civils, civil responsibility, self responsibility and liberty were taught as core
    concepts in Arizona. As I've grown, policies have become more left
    leaning, and education has dramatically shifted from "if you have the
    ability to help/intercede, you have the responsibility to do so," to
    "don't get involved and call the police."

    We've gone from a fairly healthy third party (Libertarian) presence, to literally a primary ballot with no LP candidates. And while I disagree
    with Republicans on about 1/3 of their official policy stances, I
    disagree with Democrats on roughly 2/3 and have no respect for most of them.

    I'm not even a die hard Libertarian at that, I'm pretty socially liberal
    and fiscally conservative and feel government should maximise personal
    freedom (and corporations shouldn't get nearly the protection they do
    from govt). In general, I'm pragmatic, but that pragmatism can only
    stretch so far.

    IMO, if you leave a state because of how messed up it is, just maybe one should also re-evaluate the politics that you bring with you.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Mon Aug 31 15:54:05 2020
    On 8/29/2020 2:19 PM, Nightfox wrote:

    Yet there are a lot of elderly people living in care homes in the US.. I had
    the impression that the costs are usually paid by the individuals living there or their families, at least in the US. I don't think they're publicly funded in the US.

    It's mixed depending on medical need (medicare), state funding for the
    elderly and family ability to pay. Most facilities are a combination of funding for different people, some better than others.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Arelor on Mon Aug 31 15:59:01 2020
    On 8/30/2020 3:18 AM, Arelor wrote:

    It must be nice to be able to feel that way.

    My experience is that if you are nice to people you get a stab in the back.

    My most succesful relations are business relations that are dead cold corporative emotionless for some reason.

    Being nice, or civil to people doesn't mean being blindly trusting. As
    a rule, I always try to keep a third party looped in on anything of significance, or set myself up with leverage in case things go south.
    It still sucks to be betrayed or disappointed, but at least I'm prepared.

    All the same, it's important to try and remain civil even against evil
    itself.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to HusTler on Mon Aug 31 16:05:03 2020
    On 8/30/2020 10:50 AM, HusTler wrote:

    What's your point? Are you pissed for being Russian or raised in a Communist Country? Thanks for the history lesson but I was brought up hiding under desks at school for fear of being bombed by Russia. So yea. Commies are Evil people. What else is new?

    I'm a bit younger than that... I came up in the hope of the late 70's
    and 80's. MY negativity towards communism comes from getting involved
    with them in my late teens and early 20s, then followed on by having
    worked and gotten to know expats from communist Russia and China. Those experiences are what really opened my eyes.

    There is a dishonest evil to many socialist leaders who would use
    diversion and deceipt to sieze control and remove freedom from the
    people. Those who would decry people in power only to turn into a
    stronger authoritarian power.

    The older I get the more stronly I believe that people cannot be trusted
    with institutional power, and should thus be limited as much as
    reasonable on most fronts. Even with corporatism in modern US
    government, the government isn't restricting power, but granting,
    expanding and protecting it.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to HusTler on Mon Aug 31 16:11:59 2020
    On 8/30/2020 10:56 AM, HusTler wrote:

    What are you talking about? Nursing Homes are completly full here in the US. It's almost impossible to find an empty bed. Can't afford? If you can't afford it the Government pays for it. It's called Medicaid. Ever hear of it? Unsustainable? Says who? You? Americans have always taken care of our own. That's who we are.

    We are at a crossroads though... without an influx of working adults in
    jobs that pay better than the current average, we're closing in on a
    point where half the adult population may be retired... that's
    unsustainable in general.

    I think we may hit a point where adult children may need to be legally/financially responsible for their senior parents. It's much
    less expensive to subsidize a stay at home adult as part of a married
    couple, than dedicated staffing and housing. Most states actually do
    offer such programs for adults taking care of senior relatives.

    The larger issue is the breakdown of family in general... It's never
    been a panacea, and there are definitely bad actors. That said,
    statistically there are 3 major factors to the success of someone.
    Parents stay together (two parents), finishing school, and staying
    employed. For the most part, having those three things in one's life
    will almost always lead to a life better than one's parents'.

    There are two pillars that should come before government, in my opinion.
    Those are family and charity (including religion). Government should
    only be the fallback after the other two, not in replacement of.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Andeddu on Mon Aug 31 16:18:21 2020
    On 8/30/2020 2:11 AM, Andeddu wrote:

    Not very likely. Most US families live pay cheque to pay cheque and social care
    can cost around one thousand dollars each week. The elderly ususally have to liquidate their assets to pay for their own care, however those who have nothing do not have to pay. In the UK that's what happens as a lot of older people anticipating a move into a care home transfer their houses and other assets to their offspring 7 years prior, so they do not have any assets worth seizing.

    Social care is one of the largest unfunded liabilities in the West and no country can afford it in the long-term. New solutions will have to be discovered for our generation. I hope automation can deal with this problem...
    robot carers may be the future.

    It can be easier if you shift your assets into a trust in your early 50s
    as well, long before you are close to that point. It takes some legal
    and accounting work to set these things up, but is often worth the
    effort. Another point is to not buy anything (such as a car) you
    wouldn't outright own, to avoid debt once you're in your 50's.

    Also, establish trustees that you *really* can trust and/or paid
    fiduciary services.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer or accountant, so seek professional advice
    if you consider the above.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Moondog on Mon Aug 31 16:24:05 2020
    On 8/30/2020 7:04 AM, Moondog wrote:

    I was raised as a Lutheran, and also lived in a rural environment. I have visitied Catholic churches and sat through Catholic services, though. From what I perceived, Catholicism is much more urbanized. More detail is put into the appearance of the church to inspire it's greatness and power, and some of the practices such as hearing a confession appeared to be means for a church run state to know who the troublemakers were.

    Some things were carried over or kept from Catholicism after the reformation, t
    however the Luthern faith has a little more compatibility with regards to expansionism because it's structure is stripped down. In a way they put less reliance in the church to connect with God. Lutherans still like to have a nice church to goto , however they are not as ornate. I have only been to two
    or three churches that were older than 100 years old, and they were a little
    more ornate, but otherwise newer churches put more in the utility of the building.

    In adult life I never really considered faith a reason to like or dislike peopel, however the strange thing is the better friends I had turned to be Lutheran without me knowing it right away.

    Not bragging, just an observation. Have others such as Catholics find theselv
    es making more friends of their faith without previous knowledge?

    Martin Luther (along with Thomas Jefferson) are really interesting men
    to read up on in terms of evaluating the more important lessons one can
    and should take in from the Bible... Most American "Christians" are
    offshoots closer to Lutheran or Babtist than to Catholic (though there
    are plenty of Catholics and Episcopal.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Andeddu on Mon Aug 31 19:28:00 2020
    Andeddu wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Never heard of him.

    You obviously don't do much reading.

    I do a LOT of reading. Just not about leftist-whackjobs out on
    the fringe of lunacy. Don't have any time for that kind of
    nonsense. I'm happy that you do, though.

    He's one of the most celebrated intellects of the previous
    generation.

    LOL! Yeah right.

    So you made a comment to me without actually reading the
    relatively small paragraph I had pasted onto my post.

    I did read it, and looked up the whacko (on Wikipedia). Thus my
    comments above. Yup.


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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Andeddu on Mon Aug 31 23:10:07 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Andeddu to Gamgee on Sun Aug 30 2020 10:20 am

    Never heard of him.

    You obviously don't do much reading. He's one of the most celebrated intelle of the previous generation. Also, he was speaking ill of Communism, likening to a sick religion... you'd have saw that if you had any reading comprehenti


    Heard of who? Come on man. Don't make us hang.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Tracker1 on Tue Sep 1 21:02:39 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Aug 31 2020 04:18 pm

    It can be easier if you shift your assets into a trust in your early 50s
    as well, long before you are close to that point. It takes some legal
    and accounting work to set these things up, but is often worth the
    effort. Another point is to not buy anything (such as a car) you
    wouldn't outright own, to avoid debt once you're in your 50's.

    Also, establish trustees that you *really* can trust and/or paid
    fiduciary services.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer or accountant, so seek professional advice
    if you consider the above.

    I reckon you're probably right with those loopholes. I don't really begrudge those carry out creative accounting to avoid having their assets seized... after all, I'd rather give my assets to my children rather than the state, and the state looks after those with nothing to give... so why should they give anything? I've read you posts on this matter and agree with what you've said. There is no way we can continue down the route of nursing homes for those who CANNOT afford it. My worry is what will happen to those who do not have families capable or willing to look after them. Will they just be left homeless in miserable destitution? I hope private charities can help out. Bleak times ahead.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Gamgee on Tue Sep 1 22:19:54 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Mon Aug 31 2020 07:28 pm

    So you made a comment to me without actually reading the
    relatively small paragraph I had pasted onto my post.

    I did read it, and looked up the whacko (on Wikipedia). Thus my
    comments above. Yup.

    Ahh, so you're trolling me... good one.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Andeddu on Wed Sep 2 09:52:00 2020
    Andeddu wrote to Gamgee <=-

    So you made a comment to me without actually reading the
    relatively small paragraph I had pasted onto my post.

    I did read it, and looked up the whacko (on Wikipedia). Thus my
    comments above. Yup.

    Ahh, so you're trolling me... good one.

    Nope, not at all. Just hoping you'll stop *your* trolling and
    searching for fellow commies to share your visions of world
    domination (and AI takeover of human will) with.

    At least maybe you can take your bullshit to the "Debate"
    sub-board instead of in here? It's got nothing to do with
    Internet Discussion.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Andeddu on Wed Sep 2 16:16:28 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Andeddu to Tracker1 on Tue Sep 01 2020 09:02 pm

    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Aug 31 2020 04:18 pm

    It can be easier if you shift your assets into a trust in your early 50s as well, long before you are close to that point. It takes some legal and accounting work to set these things up, but is often worth the effort. Another point is to not buy anything (such as a car) you wouldn't outright own, to avoid debt once you're in your 50's.

    Also, establish trustees that you *really* can trust and/or paid fiduciary services.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer or accountant, so seek professional advice if you consider the above.

    I reckon you're probably right with those loopholes. I don't really begrudge those carry out creative accounting to avoid having their assets seized... after all, I'd rather give my assets to my children rather than the state, a the state looks after those with nothing to give... so why should they give anything? I've read you posts on this matter and agree with what you've said There is no way we can continue down the route of nursing homes for those wh CANNOT afford it. My worry is what will happen to those who do not have families capable or willing to look after them. Will they just be left homel in miserable destitution? I hope private charities can help out. Bleak times ahead.


    Well, if it helps, private and religions charities have been helping out elders non stop with this COVID-19 crisis.

    Some customers of the clinic I work for or the store I own stopped receiving their pension altogether. One kept receiving healthcare from her insurance but no pension, resulting in her being able to get a doctor but no food (!) Some church sponsored programs have been keeping this people afloat.

    I have also seen friends support friends who could not afford the groceries or the rent. For sure this is the first year I have had to lend money to somebody so he could do his grocery trip of the week (!). I don't trust human's goodwill in the long run, but I hope charity can help us short term.

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  • From Baguette@VERT/CAVEBBS to All on Thu Sep 3 01:06:00 2020
    I don't trust Elon Musk in general, nevermind letting that fucking nutjob put things in my head-meat. The guy couldn't even put crumple zones in the Cybertruck. It's a deathtrap.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Baguette on Thu Sep 3 16:07:24 2020
    Re: Neuralink
    By: Baguette to All on Thu Sep 03 2020 01:06 am

    I don't trust Elon Musk in general, nevermind letting that fucking nutjob put things in my head-meat. The guy couldn't even put crumple zones in the Cybertruck. It's a deathtrap.

    First, everyone is making a huge fuss over nothing. this nuralink thing has been done for quite awhile, it's just that Musk now has a way to implant wires a bit easier.

    And did I miss the crash testing data on the Cybertruck? I was under the impression it hadn't been tested yet.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BAGUETTE on Thu Sep 3 14:25:00 2020
    I don't trust Elon Musk in general, nevermind letting that fucking nutjob put things in my head-meat. The guy couldn't even put crumple zones in the Cybertruck. It's a deathtrap.

    I am not sure why anyone would want such an implant UNLESS they are
    disabled. I could see it being handy if I had lost use of my limbs but, otherwise, no way.


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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Arelor on Fri Sep 4 09:16:14 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Wed Sep 02 2020 04:16 pm

    Well, if it helps, private and religions charities have been helping out elders non stop with this COVID-19 crisis.

    Some customers of the clinic I work for or the store I own stopped receiving their pension altogether. One kept receiving healthcare from her insurance but no pension, resulting in her being able to get a doctor but no food (!) Some church sponsored programs have been keeping this people afloat.

    I have also seen friends support friends who could not afford the groceries or the rent. For sure this is the first year I have had to lend money to somebody so he could do his grocery trip of the week (!). I don't trust human's goodwill in the long run, but I hope charity can help us short term.

    As long as the economy doesn't completely collapse, I think we can rely on the goodwill of others. There are plenty folk out there volunteering their time and/or money to help those in need. I don't think WE, as a collective people, are less benevolant than the government. I think that with the projected second wave of COVID-19, etc... things are going to get really tough for those who are particularly vulnerable so those who care will have to step up and do even more to assist those in need. Governments are taking an absolute beating with their diminished tax-revenue that support from them will be limited.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Baguette on Fri Sep 4 09:27:19 2020
    Re: Neuralink
    By: Baguette to All on Thu Sep 03 2020 01:06 am

    I don't trust Elon Musk in general, nevermind letting that fucking nutjob put things in my head-meat. The guy couldn't even put crumple zones in the Cybertruck. It's a deathtrap.

    I don't think anyone can be trusted enough to implant wires (neuralace) into other people's heads. The first wave of people who will get involved are those who are disabled, people with whom the technology can provide a legitimate benefit. Once the rest of us become normalised to the idea & see that it's helping people become mobile again, and curing aspects of mental health, etc... a lot of us will buy into and become invested in the idea as it will, in a more mature stage of development, provide benefits to those who are fully abled.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 6 15:37:28 2020
    On 03/09/2020 5:07 p.m., DaiTengu wrote:

    First, everyone is making a huge fuss over nothing. this
    nuralink thing has been done for quite awhile, it's just
    that Musk now has a way to implant wires a bit easier.

    What exactly has "been done"?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/28/elon-musk-demonstrates-brain-computer-tech-neuralink-in-live-pigs.html

    Seems like all he was able to do was attach some kind of receiver to monitor brain activity in pigs. Will we ever know what the pigs think about that? <G>

    Then the article just talks about "potential" for other things. I would be more interested in the success/failure rate management of infections or the body's rejection of those things.

    If these pigs die from complications of this initial surgery, we will probably not hear about that.


    And did I miss the crash testing data on the Cybertruck? I
    was under the impression it hadn't been tested yet.

    The truck is so ugly. I lost interest in it.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Ogg on Sun Sep 6 19:11:51 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Ogg to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 06 2020 03:37 pm

    nuralink thing has been done for quite awhile, it's just
    that Musk now has a way to implant wires a bit easier.

    What exactly has "been done"?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/28/elon-musk-demonstrates-brain-computer-tech -neuralink-in-live-pigs.html

    Seems like all he was able to do was attach some kind of receiver to monitor brain activity in pigs. Will we ever know what the pigs think about that? <G>

    wiring up an animal to a computer has been done before. Scientists are also able to insert tiny wires into insects and control them, too!

    Then the article just talks about "potential" for other things. I would be more interested in the success/failure rate management of infections or the body's rejection of those things.

    I'm also curious about that. Supposedly the "Neuralink" thing reduces those complications by a large amount.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Atroxi@VERT to Arelor on Fri Sep 11 21:42:00 2020
    Arelor wrote to Atroxi <=-

    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Atroxi to Arelor on Wed Aug 26 2020 04:20 pm

    Arelor wrote to Atroxi <=-

    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Atroxi to Moondog on Tue Aug 25 2020 01:31 pm

    I'm sorry, I was a bit out of the loop recently and have lost track at
    how

    ma
    ssive this thread had become. I got sucked into
    installing FreeBSD and some horrible stuff happened at our house recently
    whi
    ch led me to losing a bunch of my stuff. But
    everything's good now, I hope.

    How you all guys doing?

    Did you have a fire or something? If so, that is too bad.

    It's not that bad, but we had a break-in a few days ago. Lost my phone, two
    of my
    bags that had some valuables including a backup hard drive of my office
    files
    as we
    as my wallet which had a lot of personal IDs and cards. I got my phone
    number
    back
    now, my driver's license and my bank card. I was lucky I backed all of my
    dat
    a from
    the stolen phone a few weeks prior so I still had my contacts and photos
    with
    me.

    I'm quite disturbed until now, thinking that the thief was actually in my
    ro
    om whi
    I was sleeping, now I'm paranoid that I placed a barrel bolt lock on my
    door.
    But
    thinking about it right now, it's quite funny to me that my laptop which is
    a
    Think
    T400 was left there unmolested, silently compiling stuff while the robber
    did
    his j

    I am doing fine, setting an online store and selling stuff. Thanks for
    a
    sking.

    What are you selling?

    ... You want to delete me right? Yeah, you sure do. You slut.

    Man that sucks. I usually sleep with two Rottweilers in my room and
    other 4 around the house, but Ibet a thief could get a pass from them
    by petting them behind the ears :-(

    That's better than nothing, haha! I really regret not having our dog in the main house when that happened. We've moved her now, so I guess that would deter anyone from trying to get into the house.

    I have a parafarmacy. Most of what I sell are vitamins and suplements. Lots of higyene and cosmetics (soap and the like too). It is not
    exactly a great business but it supplements my sysadmining and
    magazining.

    That sounds cool. Hey, as long as it pays the bills isn't it. Do you make your own stuff or do you buy it from someone else? Craft soaps seems to be something of a hit these days.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Atroxi on Fri Sep 11 18:05:30 2020
    Re: Re: Neuralink
    By: Atroxi to Arelor on Fri Sep 11 2020 09:42 pm

    I have a parafarmacy. Most of what I sell are vitamins and suplements. Lots of higyene and cosmetics (soap and the like too). It is not exactly a great business but it supplements my sysadmining and magazining.

    That sounds cool. Hey, as long as it pays the bills isn't it. Do you make y own stuff or do you buy it from someone else? Craft soaps seems to be someth of a hit these days.

    I don't have in-house manufacturing.

    Basically I have taken the time to contact laboratories that supply premium. So while I carry industrial items, they are the best industrial production offers. I can wash my hands with one of my donkey milk soap, spend an hour cleaning the barn and petting the horses, and after that my hands are still smelling like donkey milk.

    Same with herbs and the like. I source teas and such from an importer that has its own factory for cutting and packaging the leaves and results show.

    Lots of the less natural things I carry in order to supply a local clinic. The doctors there love me because I can guarantee I have the stuff they usually prescribe to patients.

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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/HAVENS to Andeddu on Wed Oct 28 14:09:51 2020
    Re: Neuralink
    By: Andeddu to Baguette on Fri Sep 04 2020 09:27 am

    health, etc... a lot of us will buy into and become invested in the idea as it will, in a more mature stage of development, provide benefits to those who are fully abled.

    I wanted to get a Neuralink so that I could get an Arduino board with a CANBUS-Shield connected to my cars ODBII port so that I could neurally interface with my car. The most the thing is gonna realistically be able to do is read signals and send them to other places via Bluetooth. I want an interface hard wire plug option.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Vlk-451 on Wed Oct 28 21:58:19 2020
    Re: Neuralink
    By: Vlk-451 to Andeddu on Wed Oct 28 2020 02:09 pm

    I wanted to get a Neuralink so that I could get an Arduino board with a CANBUS-Shield connected to my cars ODBII port so that I could neurally interface with my car. The most the thing is gonna realistically be able to is read signals and send them to other places via Bluetooth. I want an interface hard wire plug option.

    No shit? Wish I knew WTF you were talking about. ;-)

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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to HusTler on Sun Nov 29 23:36:41 2020
    Re: Neuralink
    By: HusTler to Vlk-451 on Wed Oct 28 2020 09:58 pm

    No shit? Wish I knew WTF you were talking about. ;-)

    ... There's little worse than being peerless in a peer-review system.

    You think I can afford to get an education? I just wana be able to hack my car with my brain so that I don't have to replace some hard to get old stock window switch for my door panel on my drivers side so that I can smoke my Marlboro Reds in peace without having to drive down the road with my driver door open. And so that Whenever someone says something seriously stupid when I'm driving, my brain involentary causes the car to break check, hopefully reducing the instances of idiotic utterances in my presence. That or increasing the number of fatal crashes so that I can escape this fresh hell.

    You can get an idea of what I'm talking about watching this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAAzXM5vsi0

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