• Media (was Twitter)

    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ennev on Tue May 3 15:31:22 2022
    Re: Re: Twitter
    By: Ennev to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 05:59 pm

    Also, we know the movies disappear from the streaming platform as soon as one of the actors in them gets in trouble. Cancel culture is literal. I guess soon with Deep fakes they'll just replace the actor.

    That's the thing with our nice streaming world now, the movie you watched yesterday might not be exactly the movie you watched today.

    That's one reason I still like to buy my own physical copies of movies & shows I like.

    At least with physical format what you have stays the same. The best example is Star Wars episode 4, how many versions of that movie exist?

    Episodes 5 and 6 as well.. There have been lots of changes to those, but not because anyone did anything wrong, it was because George Lucas seemed to feel like he couldn't stop messing with them.

    Nightfox

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  • From Kaelon@VERT to Nightfox on Tue May 3 16:26:28 2022
    Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: Nightfox to Ennev on Tue May 03 2022 03:31 pm

    At least with physical format what you have stays the same. The best example is Star Wars episode 4, how many versions of that movie exist?

    Episodes 5 and 6 as well.. There have been lots of changes to those, but not because anyone did anything wrong, it was because George Lucas seemed to feel like he couldn't stop messing with them.

    The greatest crime was adding to the ambiguity in Episode 4 that, without a doubt, Han shot first.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Wed May 4 00:17:00 2022
    Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: Nightfox to Ennev on Tue May 03 2022 03:31 pm

    Re: Re: Twitter
    By: Ennev to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 05:59 pm

    Also, we know the movies disappear from the streaming platform as soon one of the actors in them gets in trouble. Cancel culture is literal. I guess soon with Deep fakes they'll just replace the actor.

    That's the thing with our nice streaming world now, the movie you watch yesterday might not be exactly the movie you watched today.

    That's one reason I still like to buy my own physical copies of movies & sho

    At least with physical format what you have stays the same. The best example is Star Wars episode 4, how many versions of that movie exist?

    Episodes 5 and 6 as well.. There have been lots of changes to those, but no

    Nightfox

    I bought the box set on VHS before the re-showing of the "enhanced" films appeared in theaters. When sitting in the theater, severl people freaked out when Han did not shoot first. Lucas explained that his kids were confused by Han shooting first, because he is a good guy. He could've explained he
    created that scene to create the impression this guy may not be as good as
    they think.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Kaelon on Wed May 4 00:20:00 2022
    Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Tue May 03 2022 04:26 pm

    Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: Nightfox to Ennev on Tue May 03 2022 03:31 pm

    At least with physical format what you have stays the same. The best example is Star Wars episode 4, how many versions of that movie exis

    Episodes 5 and 6 as well.. There have been lots of changes to those, but not because anyone did anything wrong, it was because George Lucas seemed feel like he couldn't stop messing with them.

    The greatest crime was adding to the ambiguity in Episode 4 that, without a _____
    -=: Kaelon :=-

    Just mentioned this in my last reply. Lucas was looking at the re-edits from the view of a dad rather than that of a kid, and create less of a doubt that Han is a good guy. At that point in the film we're supposed to think he's a p irate not to be trusted.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Moondog on Wed May 4 08:44:02 2022
    I bought the box set on VHS before the re-showing of the "enhanced" films appeared in theaters. When sitting in the theater, severl people freaked out when Han did not shoot first. Lucas explained that his kids were confused by Han shooting first, because he is a good guy. He could've explained he
    created that scene to create the impression this guy may not be as good as they think.

    It's a weird concept of "good guys." You know the guy in front of you is there to kill you, so what are you going to do? Let him shoot first in a gunfight? I saw the original in theatre (I'm that old) and didn't have an issue with that.

    And also I see it as an allegory of redemption. That you can in your life do sketchy and bad things and turn around and do good. In our cancel culture, it seems not impossible for someone to change and improve. What does it mean then "learning from our mistakes" if you're not allowed any?

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Moondog on Wed May 4 08:55:57 2022
    Just mentioned this in my last reply. Lucas was looking at the re-edits from the view of a dad rather than that of a kid, and create less of a doubt that Han is a good guy. At that point in the film we're supposed to think he's a p irate not to be trusted.

    I think somehow it was less simplistic and more real to have a character that was "acting badly" because of the circumstances. You live in an oppressive society governed by an evil regime crushing your life and dream.

    Sometimes in order to survive, you have to do reprehensible things.

    again I'll quote doctor who:
    Sometimes The Only Choices You Have Are Bad ones, but still, you have to choose.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Wed May 4 09:07:05 2022
    Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Wed May 04 2022 12:17 am

    I bought the box set on VHS before the re-showing of the "enhanced" films appeared in theaters. When sitting in the theater, severl people freaked out when Han did not shoot first. Lucas explained that his kids were confused by Han shooting first, because he is a good guy. He could've explained he created that scene to create the impression this guy may not be as good as they think.

    Yeah, that was always one of the more controversial changes.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ennev on Wed May 4 15:48:00 2022
    Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: Ennev to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 08:44 am

    I bought the box set on VHS before the re-showing of the "enhanced" films appeared in theaters. When sitting in the theater, severl people freaked out when Han did not shoot first. Lucas explained that his kids were confused by Han shooting first, because he is a good guy. He could've explained he
    created that scene to create the impression this guy may not be as good a they think.

    It's a weird concept of "good guys." You know the guy in front of you is the to kill you, so what are you going to do? Let him shoot first in a gunfight? saw the original in theatre (I'm that old) and didn't have an issue with tha

    And also I see it as an allegory of redemption. That you can in your life do sketchy and bad things and turn around and do good. In our cancel culture, i seems not impossible for someone to change and improve. What does it mean th "learning from our mistakes" if you're not allowed any?

    An anti-hero is a protagonist who is as flawed or more flawed than most characters; he is someone who disturbs the viewer with his weaknesses yet is sympathetically portrayed, and who magnifies the frailties of humanity. When seeking a smuggler, Ben was expecting a sleezeball that thinks of himself first. Han falls into the anti-hero archetype. When it counted, he wasn't much of a pirate.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ennev on Wed May 4 15:52:00 2022
    Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: Ennev to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 08:55 am

    Just mentioned this in my last reply. Lucas was looking at the re-edits from the view of a dad rather than that of a kid, and create less of a do that Han is a good guy. At that point in the film we're supposed to thin he's a p irate not to be trusted.

    I think somehow it was less simplistic and more real to have a character tha was "acting badly" because of the circumstances. You live in an oppressive society governed by an evil regime crushing your life and dream.

    Sometimes in order to survive, you have to do reprehensible things.

    again I'll quote doctor who:
    Sometimes The Only Choices You Have Are Bad ones, but still, you have to choose.

    Firefly is another series that plays on the idea of anti-heroes. Mal Reynolds isa criminal by trade, but does the right thing when he learns who is getting hurt.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Wed May 4 07:13:00 2022
    Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

    less of a doubt that Han is a good guy. At that point in the film
    we're supposed to think he's a pirate not to be trusted.

    I thought that Han shooting first helped contrast his redemption in
    the end.






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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ennev on Thu May 5 07:10:00 2022
    Ennev wrote to Moondog <=-


    I think somehow it was less simplistic and more real to have a
    character that was "acting badly" because of the circumstances. You
    live in an oppressive society governed by an evil regime crushing your life and dream.

    Sometimes in order to survive, you have to do reprehensible things.

    Who would win in a gunfight - Malcolm Reynolds or Han Solo? :)



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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 5 11:45:21 2022
    Who would win in a gunfight - Malcolm Reynolds or Han Solo? :)

    I don't know but I would like to see that :-)

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 6 11:51:00 2022
    Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 07:13 am

    Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

    less of a doubt that Han is a good guy. At that point in the film we're supposed to think he's a pirate not to be trusted.

    I thought that Han shooting first helped contrast his redemption in
    the end.






    ... Go outside. Shut the door.

    It does. He's desparate. He may just as well sell them out at any time to
    pay his debt.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 6 11:58:00 2022
    Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ennev on Thu May 05 2022 07:10 am

    Ennev wrote to Moondog <=-


    I think somehow it was less simplistic and more real to have a character that was "acting badly" because of the circumstances. You live in an oppressive society governed by an evil regime crushing your life and dream.

    Sometimes in order to survive, you have to do reprehensible things.

    Who would win in a gunfight - Malcolm Reynolds or Han Solo? :)



    ... Consider different fading systems

    Mal has shoved people into running engines and shot people in the head beofre they finished completing sentences. Tough call. Both are not afraid to resort to sudden violence.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Sat May 7 10:52:00 2022
    Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Mal has shoved people into running engines and shot people in the head beofre they finished completing sentences. Tough call. Both are not
    afraid to resort to sudden violence.

    There was a scene in The Walking Dead (a couple, actually) where Rick
    goes from sizing someone up, being polite and non-confrontational, to
    shooting one person, point-blank, shooting him again, and then
    shooting his partner before he had a chance to react.

    That level of decisive action is pretty shocking.



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 8 20:04:00 2022
    Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Sat May 07 2022 10:52 am

    Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Mal has shoved people into running engines and shot people in the head beofre they finished completing sentences. Tough call. Both are not afraid to resort to sudden violence.

    There was a scene in The Walking Dead (a couple, actually) where Rick
    goes from sizing someone up, being polite and non-confrontational, to
    shooting one person, point-blank, shooting him again, and then
    shooting his partner before he had a chance to react.

    That level of decisive action is pretty shocking.



    ... Fifty Quatloos on the newcomer!

    Being civil isn't a sign of weakness, and doesn't imply a person is incapable of great violence. Being polite is a preference.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 6 17:23:01 2022
    Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 07:13 am

    Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

    less of a doubt that Han is a good guy. At that point in the film we're supposed to think he's a pirate not to be trusted.

    I thought that Han shooting first helped contrast his redemption in
    the end.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Mon May 9 05:36:02 2022
    Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 08 2022 08:04 pm

    goes from sizing someone up, being polite and non-confrontational, to
    shooting one person, point-blank, shooting him again, and then
    shooting his partner before he had a chance to react.

    That level of decisive action is pretty shocking.



    ... Fifty Quatloos on the newcomer!

    Being civil isn't a sign of weakness, and doesn't imply a person is incapable of great violence. Being polite is a preference.


    he was just being smart and not showing his hand.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wed May 18 22:25:00 2022
    Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: MRO to Moondog on Mon May 09 2022 05:36 am

    Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 08 2022 08:04 pm

    goes from sizing someone up, being polite and non-confrontational, to
    shooting one person, point-blank, shooting him again, and then
    shooting his partner before he had a chance to react.

    That level of decisive action is pretty shocking.



    ... Fifty Quatloos on the newcomer!

    Being civil isn't a sign of weakness, and doesn't imply a person is incapable of great violence. Being polite is a preference.


    he was just being smart and not showing his hand.

    Consequences of Greedo handing him over were worse.

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